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From: julieanna <julieannayoga@sbcglobal.net>
Date: Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 10:20 PM
Subject: [??] my brief Letter to Dr. Terry Jones /// & Re: [bangla-vision] Pat Buchanan Is Wrong About Islam
To: bangla-vision@yahoogroups.com, Mohammad <mohammad_b_haq@yahoo.co.uk>
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From: julieanna <julieannayoga@sbcglobal.net>
Date: Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 10:20 PM
Subject: [??] my brief Letter to Dr. Terry Jones /// & Re: [bangla-vision] Pat Buchanan Is Wrong About Islam
To: bangla-vision@yahoogroups.com, Mohammad <mohammad_b_haq@yahoo.co.uk>
Cc: julieanna <JULIEANNAYOGA@sbcglobal.net>
| re: Pat Buchanan Is Wrong About Islam from Julieanna: I do not believe that Pat Buchanan is necessarily "wrong" in what he SAID, below... He was not talking about all of Islam. He was talking about the "religous motivation" of the terrorists who hit the World Trade Center. He simply said the mosque should not be built so close to Ground Zero because of that Muslim "religious motivation" of the terrorists slamming into the Towers. I can see his viewpoint, even if I don't entirely agree with him. I believe it's important to listen/see the viewpoint of others with whom we even vehemently disagree. Where are they coming from? etc... I believe Pat Buchanan is "wrong" about his statement only in that the terrorists' so-called "motivation" was NOT truly religious. They USED an askewed religious interpretation to justify their political acts. They clothed themselves in "holiness" and "righteousness" via the Koran - just like George W. Bush/&Cheney/et al. --esp. Bush-- clothed his "righteous" actions to START a war-that-kills in Iraq...Bush "prayed" that it was the "right thing" while the agenda of the NeoCons was aptly carried out "in the name of Christianity"--bush christianity, i.e.!! Bushcheney USED an askewed version of Christianity. So--they are BOTH wrong--wrong, i.e., if you value life (instead of violence) and justice, peaceful, understanding justice. Both the 9/11 terrorists' acts (allowed to happen by the bushcheney criminal Administration) - and the bushcheney terrorists' acts of invading Iraq based on a LIE, killed tens of thousands more than the number who perished at the World Trade Center - BOTH are wrong and violent and violative of human Peace... And, read on, below....the number of conquests of Muslim countries - by the West. Often justified as "good"! Killing millions of Muslims! Hey, why wouldn't the Muslims burn an American flag?! So---while I understand where Pat Buchanan is "coming from", I don't agree. He is short-sighted, not considering the whole picture. As for the New York mosque issue: I see where many are coming from who do not want the mosque near Ground Zero. However, I do not agree with them, as long as that mosque does not have radical ties (and I think that should be checked out bigtime) - radical ties - radicalism which fights Western imperialism (also a radical foreign policy!). They are both wrong: the radicals of Muslim countries; and the radicals of Western countires! Where tolerance, true tolerance, does prevail and all violence is dropped! I must say, Morocco is reported to be a very religiously-tolerant country...with many religions living side by side, doing their daily doings in the society. Maybe worth a study! Could they both -- the "West" and the "East" start being right - doing it right?! ---- ==================== I sent this to Pastor Terry Jones: Dr. Terry Jones: Consider why there might be hatred toward America from radical or even many Muslims... and drop the burning of the Koran, Sir: look at the consequences of such (it could start a WWIII at worst), and look at the WHOLE picture -- at America's Foreign Policies - which have brought us to this sorry point. And, please realize that just as in Christianity, there are many interpretations of holy books. Islam is not "of the devil", Sir; some radical interpretations may occur. The Koran is a revered piece of literature saturated with symbolism -- just as in The Bible. So, leave it alone - it is literature, even if divinely-inspired, so-called - just as The Bible. Leave the book alone and, INSTEAD: Peacefully march against American foreign policies which have incited terrorism and strife...and which have killed millions of innocent people, including Muslims, in the World. Those Muslims, unless highly radicalized, are not carrying the devil with them... they are wanting peace, they are tolerant, yes tolerant, and loving, and well known to be charitable. Read on, Sir...and b.t.w., I will try to phone you for a chat, a really thoughtful chat about the "burning of the Koran" - and how, Sir, it will incite more violence and hatred. ..and how it is not truly Christian in that you are doing what you point out the radical Muslims are doing! I think it's horrible what any violent radicals do... but do we understand WHY they are doing it? It's more than their "hating our freedoms". It has to do with the West's crazy past colonizing and conquesting escapades IN their countries. We in America wouldn't like that, would we!? And you may think they are now "trying" to do that... Instead of fighting back and then they fight back and then we fight back and then they fight back and so on, ad infinitum, isn't it brighter and more intelligent to get to the nitty gritty of the BEGINNING of the problem--i.e., the West's colonizing and conquesting escapades IN Muslim countries, Sir?! STOP the source of the conflict! Howabout burning some of the legislation / bills of Congress - bills which authorize killing and more killing of innocents around the World via "justified" invasions and involvements...covered up by a supposed noble goal of e.g., "getting the terrorists" - who have popped up because of America's support of those who go after Muslims (e.g. Palestinians) in a most UNjust way, killing and killing, without even TRYING to negotiate and peacefully resolve the problem. READ ON -- with some insight, realizing the tragic satire of the situation - written artfully by this author: Pat Buchanan Is Wrong About Islam by Fred Reed by Fred Reed Recently by Fred Reed: Freedom and Illusion Much hoorah, there is, over the mosque that may or may not be built in New York. I don't give a tinker's damn (whatever precisely that may be; I presume that tinkers' oaths were thought more efficacious than others) whether they build it or not. The matter does however put to rest for me any hope of rationality in human affairs. This, I grant, could be accomplished with a very small bed. At this writing, the government's war for oil and AIPAC has more or less solidly metamorphosed, among the rubes at least, into a war against Islam. Men of thunder and portent peddle the notion like starving encyclopedia salesmen. No less a political howitzer than Pat Buchanan says that the mosque should not be built, because of the religious motivation of the Saudis who attacked the towers. His view has been eagerly received by the populace. Now it seems that yahoos at some fourth-grade church in Florida plan to burn a Koran to commemorate 9/11. Splendid, this. We are telling 1.3 billion Moslems that America is not fighting Al Qaeda, or the Taliban, or Terror. No. It is Islam itself we hate. How very wise. This will make it so much easier to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Those security forces that GIs are supposed to be training – the ones with the AKs – they will know that their trainers are their enemies. Curiously, this is just what bin Laden tells them. Glands again trump minds, if any. Consider that ten minutes before the first tower got hit in New York, the thought had occurred to practically no one in America that Islam constituted a mortal threat to all that we hold holy, chiefly chain restaurants and iPods. But Islam afterwards offered to fill this void that the Russians had wimped out on. For a brief period after the implosion of the Soviet Union, Americans had no threat to worry about. They found it deeply puzzling. Weren't we supposed to be afraid of something? It didn't feel right. Then came New York, and suddenly we saw it: The Clash of Civilizations. Islam was out to get us. Why hadn't we noticed? A roaring hatred for Moslems sprang up from people who had never met a Moslem, who had a garden slug's grasp of history. A deep satisfaction came over the land. We had been made whole again. Battling Mohammedans quickly became an industry. The government at first tried to peddle Terrorism as the enemy, not Islam, but it didn't stick. Something more robustly flackable was wanted. I find Buchanan, of the American Conservative, proclaiming that Islam is a Culture of Jihad, and most militant. No doubt. Very. Would it be poltroonish of me to note that just now Christian armies are busily annexing and wrecking Afghanistan and Iraq, having recently bombed Somalia? That they use robotic aircraft to murder Yemenis, that they hunt down Moslems in the Philippines (where after 1898 Americans engaged in atrocities that would win the admiration of the Japanese), encourage Israel to ruin Lebanon and to run a concentration camp for Moslems in Gaza, enthusiastically murder Pakistanis from the sky, and threaten Syria and Iran? Those Moslems. Militant, they are. The bastards. The Islamic countries listed above are only those currently attacked by America. Let us look at the matter in another way. I append here a list of all Christian countries conquered by militant Moslems since 1529: ......... Next, a partial list of Moslem countries conquered by Christians: Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Sudan, Lebanon, Syria, Palestine, Jordan, Iraq (the first time), Iraq (again), Iran, Pakistan, East Pakistan, Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Yemen, Oman, Abu Dhabi, Dubai…. This list does not include such minor Christian conquests as North, South, and Central America, India, China, Southeast Asia, black Africa, and such. Unconscionable, Moslem aggressiveness is. Buchanan regards the events of 9/11 as no end grievous. So do I. Yet perhaps people who live in glass pots and kettles shouldn't call names. The UN's figures give 600,000 Iraqi children dead because of the American embargo, which didn't allow, for example, chlorine to sterilize water. This is equivalent to 6.4 million dead children in the United States. Hmmm: If Moslems had killed this trifling number of our sprats, might we wax grumpish? Yes, I know, the UN is a commie Marxist socialist anti-American conspiracy, and not as trustworthy as the American propaganda apparatus. All right. Let's assume that the UN lied by a factor of ten, and thus only 60,000 Iraqi children died thanks to us. Thus, if 3,000 Americans died in New York, we owe the Moslems some 57,000. No? If I may sally briefly into unloved seriousness: What puzzles me, as one who has lived extensively abroad, is how little Americans are able to see things through the eyes of others, how little empathy they have (this latter defect being characteristic of both psychopaths and narcissists). Consider a headline from Antiwar.com of a sort appearing almost daily: "US Drone Strike Destroys House Full of Children in Pakistan." Apparently no one in the Great Rubber Room north of Mexico has an inkling why this might arouse hatred in Pakistanis. Can you imagine the fury that would ensue if a Moslem blew up a house full of American kids in, say, Queens? But when we kill their kids, no one cares. "Yeah, well. Tough. Giv'em a few dollars." Buncha dirty raghead larvae. No better than cockroaches, right? Now, we're going to have a pop quiz. Take out a sheet of paper. Question: Can you think of any reason why Moslems might be unhappy with America? Right! They hate our freedoms. In which case they daily have less to hate us for. It doesn't pay to underestimate an enemy, I hear. All right: Moslems are so very dangerous not just because of their many extremist groups – Salamists, Al Sushis, the Falafel, and the Wasabi for example – but because of their immense industrial strength, which doesn't exist. With the possible exception of Turkey, not one Islamic nation is in the First World. I picture bearded, turbaned warriors wading ashore on aquatic camels, causing no end of panic in Atlantic City. I mean, what do camels eat? The horror. Herewith a searing insight for the ever-puzzled State Department: Actions have consequences. If you support Batista, you will engender Fidel. If you support the Shah, you will get Khomeini. If you attack Moslems, you will get bin Laden. It might be better to stay home and read a book. September 9, 2010 Fred Reed is author of Nekkid in Austin: Drop Your Inner Child Down a Well and A Brass Pole in Bangkok: A Thing I Aspire to Be. His latest book is Curmudgeing Through Paradise: Reports from a Fractal Dung Beetle. Visit his blog. Copyright © 2010 Fred Reed submitted by julieanna Julieanna, Tutorials Piano Arts & Yoga Writer/editor; Earth activist Bach is great! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRvdI1Hnvy0 same, soloists: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22lSyXwr8P0&NR=1 "GOD Bless You HAITI"- et al. --- On Thu, 9/9/10, Mohammad <mohammad_b_haq@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
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